You should see my legs :(. When this flea-war is over then I will just put new filters in. Hey Michael! We usually have a window ac unit in our room but it broke. When I inspected my bed closer I could see a lot of flea larvae wriggling on my bed, along with tons of flea dirt and eggs, it was absolutely disgusting! It makes me happy knowing that i have assisted with your fight against fleas For your old dog that has licked himself dry, using natural treatments (such as lemon, dawn, etc.) Apparently it will pass through digestive system and can destroy parasites (like worms). That day after we realized we had a problem, we had pest control come in to spray my room, bed, carpet, living room couches, baseboards and everything in my sisters room. My only concern is with my parrots, many products that are safe for animals arent so safe for birds due to their fragile respiratory system. My dog and cat were shipped off to get flea baths/grooming today and the exterminator is coming today to do my whole house (since we are starting to see some in our living areas now.I feel like we are bringing them in with us because we see them on us in the yard as well now!!!!). I have been fighting this for almost 2 1/2 months. So! I have 2 questions. Hi Lynn, it works the same way and you can follow the same steps as described in this article. We put a pretty thick layer on the carpet, beds, basement, animal areas and animal then went camping for three days. Found out about this product through a pest control friend. However, I recommend leaving it for 24 hours before vacuuming up all the powder (and any dead fleas) to ensure they die. Let me know please! Naturally Im extremely paranoid and am doing all I can to kill them. Gonna do my bed, clothes, drawers and everything. Hi Ogopogogirl, thanks for your kind words and for your sharing your experience. I would love to hear how it goes, please keep us updated! Seen a few fleas but they were already twitching and trying to flea (pun intended). I just bought the safer brand just for inside my house. Although I dont have an infestation per se, what would you suggest to get rid of what ever is here before it turns into a problem. The powders work. I did a dusting of DE all over my kitchen, bedroom, bathroom last night where we seem to have had a flea population for the last week or two (bleeding heart/rescue kitten/no forethought) ANYWAYS, when I got up this morning the fleas actually seemed to be worse! Have you tried making a few DIY flea traps? Ive tried everything to get rid of the fleas but nothing works. Experts say a small amount can go a long way. Fleas have to come into contact with the DE to die so a repeat application will just ensure that it works 100%. Hi Cindy! When I first got the puppy she had no fleas but last week I noticed a flea on her and Im freaking out. The vet wont give me tranquillizers, so Im at wits end. Join thousands of pet parents and get vet-approved guidance, product reviews, exclusive deals, and more! I just want to confirm before I move forward, and would love an email!! My problem recently has actually been with ticks. As I said, I don;t have pets so this is new to me. We have an exterminator coming next week to spray the house and both our dog and cat will be getting groomed and flea baths. Can I mix DE with borax when I put it down on the floors and carpet? I am starting it today. Diatomaceous Earth is made of siliceous sedimentary rock crushed into tiny particles. so i just wanted to tell u that i found 100 % grade DE.on amazon.com for low coast ,also have many different size selection .sorry for being nosie but hope info helps.they will deliver it to your door to. I refuse to put another chemical on my animals. With fleas you need to not be having to empty debris from a bagless vacuum. Amanda: I saw the same bag the other night at my local home improvement store. Organic gardening is the responsible choice for many reasons. Yes, its most likely a cause of left over flea eggs from the previous flea infestation. I had a quick question: I have a house w/ a basement and have noticed fleas in both levels. Would it be best to spread it and leave for hours before returning for best results in those areas? I suppose it is better than it was before, but.. Hi Bonnie, yeah that dust effect is a bit overwhelming but dont worry, you will be happy when you are flea free . The food-grade version of DE contains a much lower level of silica than the versions used for industrial work. Are you applying a light dust to the carpets, etc. I suggest you get a plastic container with a lid, punch small holes in the top and apply it like a salt shaker. Hi Theresa! It didnt say food grade. Any suggestions to keep them off me? No problem with breathing. Fortunately they dont seem to bother my kids or husband, but I probably got 15 bites in an hour and caught about 10 of those and executed them. Secondly, when using the broom, it is all about small, mainly downwards movements. Hi Danny! Yes. Therein lies the problem, says Dr. Michael Dryden, university distinguished professor, veterinary parasitology at Kansas State University in Manhattan, Kansas. I dont recommend using the DE directly on your pets. Also she jumped into the tub this morning and it was also covered with black dots of stuff. Thanks, glad you liked it Yes you can use the food grade variation around your puppy, just dont use it ON your pets. I took the vet for a check up and he advised me that she is highly anemic and so Im treating her for this condition and now fleas!!! You can find it on the Cedarcide web site. Thanks! Hey Adrienne! Im so glad I came across your site, Ive read several articles, all very helpful! No its not dangerous, provided its food grade DE. Also on label Diatomaceoous Earth with Calcium Bentonite- Analysis: Ash(Mineral Matter) Maximum 95%,Moisture 8% Is the correct product to use, or does it need to be labeled only Food Grade? (Im 28 weeks along) I wanted to use it on our cat, our bedroom carpet, and our bed because those are the places he sleeps the mostbut I wanted to make sure it was safe for me to use first. Thank you for the info. This is ground remains of a freshwater algae called Diatoms. Can I rub DE on my cat? What do you recommend? In fact, their relatively smaller size and proximity to the application surface may put them at a higher risk for experiencing side effects than the pet parent.. This morning (three days after the first treatment with DE) I was down to less than 10 fleas between 3 cats, I think. It took the smell completely away with one bath. I understand you are not a vet or a doctor, but do you have an opinion about the wisdom of allowing them to romp in the back yard? Should I try a light dusting on the comforter cover? Hi Wendy! (they luv it ) I sprinkle it on there bedding and also on them I have had no fleas problems if a flea jumps on them it dies .I use it out side as well Great stuff highly recommend it . We have released bug bombs and had out yard treated. Hi Desarae, usually the DE works great, quite strange. I suspect my neigbors are feeding stray cats and their fleas are spreading all around. Alternatively, I can get you a quote from an exterminator in your local area that will sort you out (they are vetted), let me know if you need it. I have three cats, one doesnt have fleas really but the other twoboy do they have fleas. Thanks for this DE info. Appreciate your lovely comment and your kind words. As previously mentioned, this significantly reduces its effectiveness. Hi o was just wondering can I use it on my couch and recliner because that is where my dog sleeps some of the time and I am trying to get rid of the fleas in my house. I use DE on the dog bed. I sit and pull these specks out one by one. Didnt wipe them out with the first application but what a relief to beat down most of them. Author Posts Sprinkle it on your main crop and around the base of the plants. Hi Jessie! Diatomaceous earth (DE) will make your garden look like it survived a flour bomb explosion, but it is a powerful organic weapon to have on hand when you're going to war with beetles, and various other insect pests. I tried Hartz flea spray and while I think it lessened the issue it didnt really fix it. Another record-keeping tip: If you arent keeping a gardening journal already, start one. It kills fleas more slowly than traditional products. I dont usually apply it directly to pets but you can, let me know how it goes (I usually use a spot on). Also I notice his skin is starting to very get dry and actually flaking off in areas, can I add olive oil to his diet without disrupting the effectiveness of the DE? I hope you dont have a flea problem anytime soon but if you do, I am glad that you have found a resource on the web that you enjoy. That being said, thanks to all those that gave tips I will come back each day and read more of them. It didnt affect them negatively, and when I treated the window sills and rug they actually started going and rolling in those areas or pushing themselves into those areas until their coats were dusted again. In higher quantities, crystalline silica (which is often the reason for the deficit) can cause toxicity and this needs to be avoided if you are going to be using it for flea control. It probably says it to be safe, which is a good thing. I grab a little gardening journal that I keep by the back door and trot to the garden for a quick scouting session. He sits in the wash basin, and when he gets out, leaves lots of flea poo/blood behind. Any suggestions? Im gonna make a paste of this and use it to exfoliate. and saw one lady used a turkey baster to get into cracks in baseboards. Or should I say they are finding me since I am the only blood in the house that isnt treated. The experience with bed bugs and fleas is, the fleas are harder to get rid of due to having two animals walking around as hosts. Following this period, they pupate for approximately 7-10 days before surfacing to indulge above ground. Thank you so much for the support, Sincerely, A Clean Freak. Its segmented back legs are long, giving it the ability to jump. 4) For the poster who has bees in her wall: If you can locate a beekeeper or beekeeping club in your area, you may be able to enlist their help to capture and relocate your bees. These are the insect that are affected by DE; Ants, fire ants, caterpillars, cut worms, army worms, fleas, ticks, cockroaches, snails, spiders, termites, scorpions, silverfish, lice, mites, flies, centipedes, earwigs, slugs, aphids, Japanese beetles (grub stage), bed bugs, fruit flies, corn earworm, cucumber beetles, corn borer, sting bugs, squash vine borers, thrips, loopers, etc., etc. My answer is that it should be enough to finely cover the surface and if you are unsure, a little more is better. Thank you everyone for sharing it gives me hope that this will work! But when I walk around my bedroom i do not have fleas jumping on me. Im thinking another round or to will do the trick. I.E. Its an old remedy touted by June Lockhart of Lassie fame, and not only does it help with fleas but also invigorates the health of my cats. If you were told by a certified individual that it will not hurt your pets, then you should be able to trust them. We are not getting as many bites so think we are on the way to winning the battle. Chihuahua mix? Or have I made a huge mistake? I will eradicate them but for those of you fighting these DE is an amazing product and I WILL win this fight. Hi Cat! Thanks for taking the time to provide all this info, I really appreciate it , Hi I just notice diatomaceous earth in a pet food supplement. Food grade DE is great for your pets, even when ingested. Today a flea was on my husbands leg, do you think this means I still have a lot of fleas everywhere, or could it be a couple that havent died yet? I did put the DE on an old dismantled picnic table, pipes, some old Christmas lights, old wooden chairs, snow shovels, plastic Christmas decorations, etc. How can I use this product on concrete or laminate? I mix for myself 1 tablespoon per day of DE in a glass of rice milk or ordinary milk with a few drops of camp coffee to flavour, helps strengthen hair and nails too when you drink it. (We live in an old coal mining area I am assuming the floors are slate). My kids would tell me he was in their rooms sleeping. It contains food-grade DE, but it also has other active ingredients (read: chemicals) in it to kill faster. And would I have to wash down everything else that I covered?? So I am bracing for a hatching of who knows how many each day. You applied DE incorrectly. It says its 100% Diatomaceous earth, but then it says that it includes amorphous silica, silicon dioxide, and other oxides. If you visited the orange hardware store, they sell St. Gabriel online for about $11 a bag. Hi Valerie! DE is a powder that is spiny on a microscopic level, and it has a desiccating effect on small insects. Hi Ginette! Safer brand. I continued to vacuum and spray the carpets with hot shot spray, this unfortunately doesnt contain an igr. I am freaking out and would appreciate any advice. Just mix some water and dish soap, and try give your cat a bath, kills fleas instantly. So although you may need to clean up that filter a couple times during the process, it should be fine. Hi Jon! If you leave the DE down for a couple days and brush it in, yes, it will kill everything. Also, want to say that Kyolic Aged Garlic Extract Formula 101 for Stress And Fatigue in the cats food (1 capsule per day mixed in) every meal for a week has also helped kill off the last of the fleas. Thank you for this info. Not sure if Jon will reply, so I will help. Flea bites and infestations can lead to skin irritation, itchiness, and even infections. I also know I should treat all upholstered furniture.what about clothing, stuffed animals, etc? Ive tried diatomaceous earth to tackle my flea problem before and had great results, but I wound up with a cloud of dust over everything. The vet said a flea bath from a groomer may help, but they cant guarantee to get all of the fleas, and then if our house isnt completely free of them, itll start the cycle all over again. Do you have a particular recommendation for us? We just have to keep them in check through the summer. We have enrolled numerous homes in our flea control studies, where the homes were massively flea infested, even though the owners had been using DE. I am sure that Jon appreciates your help and I think the community will benefit as well. Is it safe to either sprinkle or dust DE on the mattress, say in the morning, and then vacuum it off in the evening before making the bed? It is so horrible, iI don;t know how much longer i can live with these things on me.I bought some Diatomaceous Earth. I didnt have an infestation or anything, not even enough for them to be biting me, please help, knowing theyre still in here is driving me nuts, an just FYI I cant put anything chemical wise on the cats as they are allergic to most anything thats not natural, Thanks. I understand on my mattress and furniture I use a vacuum.cleaner. Make sure its *NOT* Visine GET THE RED OUT stuff. Honestly, I dont recommend DE or Borax for direct pet application. If yes, how often should it be applied? I have a 2 years old daugther and I was thinking in applying this during the night and then vacuum first thing in the morning before she wakes up. Hi Teresa! After reading some reviews, went out and bout a big bag for only $14.99. They do scratch a bit and I still see some flea dirt on the bed but that is lessening too. Basically you will need to dust a fine layer around your home. Im off to try and find your article about flea solutions for cats! Just made sure its food grade please. I started reading all the comments and now its way past my bedtime! I had to share that it works so well since it was a really horrible year for the mites and our neighborhood is dense with old oak trees. She sleeps on a pair of shorts of mine on the dresser, they were covered with this small gravel like dots. Im very hopeful. Hi Marie, leaving it in place wont hurt, but if you are like me, it would bother my brain so I usually clean up all of it hehe. Salt does but it is not as effective as DE. You can apply it in wet or dry formapplying it in wet form allows it to cling to a surface easier, especially in the wind. It is a pleasure, I try my best to answer everyone Good luck! The active ingredient is lower than other topical making it easier for cats, who have a hard time with chemicals and medications. They have been out of the house for about 5-6 days now visiting family. Is this a product that I want to buy to use to kill the fleas in my home? Do you know if the DE will hurt her if she walks on the floor or furniture where it was? Reapply every couple weeks when you think fleas might be invading. Yeah that should be fine, just keep an eye on them for any issues. This weekend our dogs came home from my in-laws farm completely covered in fleas so I went to work this morning. This past Summer I had a TERRIBLE flea infestation in my home. Have a good one! Im vacuuming all upholstery and carpets 2- 3 times a day as well as vacuuming the bare floors and mopping daily. It is a pleasure! My husband is furious! It is a tricky one, but I dont think you can do much if they wont let you near them . Can we do one room at a time or will the fleas move the room that has not been treated? I am wondering if you have ever heard of that brand. Have a question. Sounds like you need a pro to come take a look, sorry Let me know if you want a few free quotes! 2 adults and 1 kitten about 5 months old. Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it! Hi Pam, sure thing, I have sent it to your email address . They hate having it put on them. Hey Lacey! Hi Shirley, I would leave it down for a couple days and then after cleaning it up, use a couple flea traps (article on this blog) to see if there are any fleas left. So lightly cover wherever they might travel . they are covered in fleas. I also recommend rubbing it in with a broom (to reach down into the fibers). In fact, wait another 2-3 days (also brush it into the floor) before cleaning it up. Got the food grade DE after trying foggers, traps, etc. I recommend leaving it down for around a week, longer the better honestly (so a few weeks is great). Hi Justin! My indoor cat has fleas and now Im scratching but Im hoping it is just from paranoiaIve been reading up on natural ways to get rid of those nasty things and I came across an essential oil recipe that I was going to try but you said essential oils arent good for cats. I need some help, this is consuming me. Only ingredient is Diatomaceous Earth, 100%. So if you could help me with this I would so appreciate it. Glad that you have had success with DE and thank you for sharing! She is pretty friendly and I was trying to figure out what to do about her scratching (fleas) feral cat = fleas. Should I have them flea dipped at the groomer and then treat the house while they are away?? Maybe dandruff, shes always had that. i feel like it would just slide around. I have fleas on my bed and in my bedding. The healthier it is, the greater chance it has of successfully surviving the big move. Are they safe for my pets? I just want to make sure it is in fact the same as the DE you use. I dont recommend that you apply the DE to your cats though, there are better solutions. However it did say good for chickens such. Hi Natasha! While the cats are doing much better (only 1 a day), and I think the house is doing better, I continue to catch fleas in my boys room. Also, I think it is a good idea to brush the coat of your pet so the DE doesnt get too thick in the fur. A stray cat adopted my family and we treated her w/ drops (like we do our other pets every month) less than a week later. Everywhere else says rubbing into skin is ok? Repeat maybe 2-3 times, if there is still a flea problem of course. And lastly, whats the procedure for putting DE on cats? I am certain that this info will hugely benefit anyone reading it so thank you. . Hey Susie! Lisa's Landscape & Design I wouldnt take their word for it. I would like to say that when I use it in my house I do have to wear a mask while applying because it bothered my lungs pretty bad last time. My friend just sent me this article-my cat is highly allergic to the traditional back of the neck flea products, and I have tried all the herbal remedies (shampoos with cloves, Rosemary, etc), And now my bed is flea-ridden. Hey PJ. Thank you!! Our personal observations in field studies in Florida would indicate it is practically worthless. Apparently, they only sell the food-grade brand online. They sell it at farm supply stores for horses, cattle etc. I also purchased food grade de from my local feed store think horse supply. Ive been sprinkling my cats and dog with it. Okay, gonna give this a try I have 3 cats, an old boy and 2 younger girls. Im glad to have found your website! p.s. I planned on starting my dogs on vet flea treatments AND use the DE for inside the house an yard. Hey La! They seem to be fine & its been about 4 hrs. I did it the first night with the windows open but the breeze made it circulated and i wheezed for a day, but that has gone and I have put a light layer on 3 days running, then vacuuming the next evening and am happy to say I have not been bitten in 2 days. Thats why the fleas have been avoiding me! Secondly, since its not carpets, just leave it down for the full three weeks. So its time to get rid of those bugs! Diatomaceous earth works much faster in killing roaches, ants and fleas than boric acid (Borax), but Borax works faster while killing bed bugs; It can achieve 100% mortality in just one week compared to two weeks for boric acid. Again sorry for the essay and I will definitely update you on this. 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