You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. Return like a word, long forgotten and maligned. And its page six of The Hurting Kind. Where being at ease is not okay. You should take a nap. [laughter] I know its cruel. Limn: Yeah, I had a moment where I hadnt realized how delighted I was to go about my world without my body. Talk about any of the limits of language, the failure of language. s wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. you look back and beg song. Learn more at kalliopeia.org. I grew up in Glen Ellen in Sonoma, California, born and raised. Because how do we care for one another? Out here, theres a bowing even the trees are doing. Limn: Yeah. I write. I remember writing this poem because I really love the word lover, and its a kind of polarizing word. and you forget how to breathe. Krista Tippett has spent more than a decade exploring important questions of life, questions that often involve faith, science and spirituality on her popular radio program and podcast, "On Being." Musings and tools to take into your week. It was interesting to me to realize how people turned to you in pandemic because of who you are, it sounds like. Tippett: Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. But I mean, Ive listened to every podcast shes done, so Im aware. and the world. Tippett: But we dont need to belabor that. I would say about 50 percent, maybe 60 percent of it was written during the pandemic. Silence, which we dont get enough of. Limn: Yeah. And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. Limn: Exactly. I really love . So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. The next-generation marine biologist Ayana Elizabeth Johnson would let that reality of belonging show us the way forward. Before the dogs chain. A scholar of belonging. A scholar of magic. She grew up loving science fiction, and thought wed be driving flying cars by now; and yet, has found in speculative fiction the transformative force of vision and imagination that might in fact save us. Tippett: Yeah. I think there was also he also was a singer, so he would just sing. This hour, Krista draws out her creative and pragmatic inquiry: Could we let ourselves be led by what we already know how to do, and by what we have it in us to save? Ive got a bone. Starting Thursday, February 2: three months of soaring new On Being conversations, with an eye towards emergence. She is a former host of the poetry podcast. And one of them this is also on. Or call 1-800-MY-APPLE. Limn: Yeah. An accomplished journalist, author, and entrepreneur, she was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2014. Tippett: No, theres so much to enjoy. Tippett: Something I remember reading is that you grew up in an English-speaking household, but your paternal grandfather spoke Spanish and that you just loved to listen to him. Yeah. And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. The original idea, when we say like our, thesis statement, or even when we say like. Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower So anyway, I got The Hurting Kind, the galley in the mail from Milkweed. I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. No, theres so much to enjoy. Musings and tools to take into your week. We honor poets and poetry as necessary companions in mustering words spacious and generous enough to reach across the mystery of ourselves and the mystery of each other. What. But I think theres so much in this poem thats about that idea that the thesis thats returned to the river. I trust those moments where it feels like, Oh, right, this is a weird. Language is strange, and its evolving. And it was an incredible treat to interview her before 1,000 people, packed together in a concert hall on a cold Minnesota night. Tacos. Because you did write a great essay called Taco Truck Saved my Marriage.. Join these two friends and interpreters of the human condition for . Tippett: I dont expect you to have the page number memorized. even the tenacious high school band off key. The notion of frontier inner frontiers, outer frontiers weaves through this hour. the world walking in, ready to be ravaged, open for business. So Sundays were a different kind of practice, if you will, a different kind of observation. Before the apple tree. Draco, Lacerta, Hydra, Lyra, Lynx. I trust those moments where it feels like, Oh, right, this is a weird. Language is strange, and its evolving. The bright side is not talked about. And I knew that at 15. but I was loved each place. Yeah. I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, And that was in shorter supply than one would think. The bright side is not talked about. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. its like staring into an original These are heavier, page 86 and page 87. And for us, it was Sundays. Our closing music was composed by Gautam Srikishan. And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. We inhabit a liminal time between what we thought we knew and what we cant quite yet see. It touches almost every aspect of human life in almost every society around the world right now. And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. Which makes me laugh, in an oblivion-is-coming sort of way. We can forget this. I was actually born at home. And what of the stanzas, we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge, could save the hireling and the slave? I think I enjoy getting older. She loves human beings. Tippett: That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. And so I think my investigation or my curiosity is not so much talking about poetry, but about where poetry comes from in us and what poetry works in us. And its page six of. and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. recycling bin until you say, Man, we should really learn I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. Limn: Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. The listener wants to understand the humanity behind the words of the other, and patiently summons one's own best self and one's own best words and questions.". And it is definitely wine country and all of the things that go along with that. So its actually about fostering yourself in the sun, in the right place, creating the right habitat. And we all have this, our childhood stories. So we have to do this another time. podcast, this great poetry podcast for a while and. The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. Tippett: If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. Theres also how I stand in the field across from the street, thats another way because Im farther from people and therefore more likely to be alone. that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving Yeah. Oh, definitely. [Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating]. Yeah. What is the thesis word or the wind? the ego and the obliteration of ego, enough Yeah. Shes teaching me a lesson. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?, And hes like, Are you trying to ask me what the weather is?. but witnessed. I grew up in Glen Ellen in Sonoma, California, born and raised. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. Yeah, I was convinced. Krista Tippett: I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. But I think there was something deeper going on there, which was that idea of, Oh, this is when you pack up and you move. And I even had a pet mouse named Fred, which you would think I wouldve had a more creative name for the mouse, but his name was Fred. unnoticed, sometimes covered up like sorrow, This idea of original belonging, that we are home, that we have enough, that we are enough. A dream. The podcast's foundation is the same as the groundbreaking radio concept. And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. And I think it was that. and then, And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. Limn: Yeah. by even the ageless woods, the shortgrass plains, the Red River Gorge, the fistful of land left. This is a moving and edifying conversation that is also, not surprisingly, a lot of fun. I feel like I could hear that response, right? And so I have. So maybe just to use a natural world metaphor to just dip our toes into the water, would you read Sanctuary? Theres shower silent and bath silent and California silent and Kentucky silent and car silent and then theres a silence that comes back, a million times bigger than me, sneaks into my bones and wails and wails and wails until I cant be quiet anymore. Krista Tippett, Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. Yeah. Right. And the next one is Dead Stars. Which follows a little bit in terms of how do we live in this time of catastrophe that also calls us to rise and to learn and to evolve. Yet it is a deep truth in life as in science that each of us is shaped as much by the quality of the questions we are asking as by the answers we have it in us to give. And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. And I think about that all the time. Yeah. 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