While conversing with Harmony regarding the case, Harmony said that Wax's casual way of talking to him reminded him of Kelsier. Except if you remove the spike, you leave the alteration because the Identity is not matched. I find it odd how specific Kelsier's death is. Mistborn Era 2 takes place 341 years after the events in the original trilogy, but theres another little story that we hope youve also read that takes place between themMistborn: Secret History. In addition, Kelsier is a competent warrior, defeating multiple Hazekillers and Mistings while outnumbered and disarmed. He introduced them and Vin to Yeden and explained his plan to destroy the Final Empire and kill the Lord Ruler. If you dont like or understand it, again, move along. However, this apparition of Kelsier is eventually revealed to be Ruin in disguise. Cause I see what could be considered3 different theories in this one post. Marasi is a full constable, and Wayne is Waxs deputy. Before the trilogy began, Kelsier was the greatest Crewleader any Skaa had known. "[3] Kelsier is Iyatil's master. [3] He considers him to be very dangerous. Even if he had said something rude, its a theory. [11] He usually wears a nobleman's suit (a colored vest with dark trousers and a coat), and during the night he wears his mistcloak. People tell me I can be downright frustrating! I am not yours. Does that make any sense? Why would it have to be relevant to the current or future cosmere? Kelsier is Vins mentor and teaches her to use her Allomantic abilities. On its relevancy, just because it has spawned a discussion does not make it relevant to the present and futureCosmere. But spiking modifies the spirit web, which is the same whether your a cognitive shadow or not,and so it could have provided him benefits. Protecting you.Giving you power!, When Leras died and Ruin began to Splinter the Shard of Preservation, Kelsier used the Ire's orb to Connect with Preservation and Ascend, allowing him to protect the power and hold it until Vin could take it. Marsh doesnt like a lot of Kelsiers actions and the way he handles the rebellion. Kelsier would beat Kaladin in a straight fight as he is prone to using dirty tactics. To view an earlier version of the wiki without spoilers for a book, go to the Time Machine! Kelsier at first hated Leras for claiming to be God, enough to instantly punch him. This one is gonna be a RAFO for what his true plan is and if there is influence somewhere. After Sazeds Ascension and Spooks rise to political power, Kelsier began to speak with Spook about finding a way to bring himself back to the Physical Realm. [21] There is a darkness to him that other heroes, such as Kaladin, would fight but that Kelsier instead embraces and is so ruthless that, in a fight with other notable people from the cosmere, he would be the most likely to win;[27][28] even Hoid considers him incredibly dangerous. I dunno what the point of spiking him would be. [38] Outside the city, they saw a Mistwraith. ), but its been a hot minute since TheBands of Mourning was released. [14][21][27], Kelsier is a Mistborn, so he can burn every Allomantic metal, although he is particularly proficient with the external physical metals iron and steel. We dont haveto do this. Here they are. Whats the point? And he didnt have metals as a cognitive shadow, so we have no way of knowing. But were talking about the Lord Ruler, and he was standing up the whole time. If you dont have time for a reread of the series before diving into the new book and need a refresher course so you can go in with your metalminds clear, were happy to help remind you of whos who, whats what, and all those other wondrous Ws! A mystery, to be sure. Some of the Survivor's less pleasant traits include his ruthlessness and prejudice. As you can see, Kelsiers been a busy, busy boy. Breeze would recruit men for the rebellion, Ham would train them in the Arguois caverns, Dockson would direct the operation's finances, Clubs would hide the group's Allomancy with copperclouds, OreSeur in the role of Lord Renoux would buy the necessary equipment, Marsh would infiltrate the Steel Ministry posing as an obligator, Kelsier would use his Mistborn power to make attacks on the nobility to create tension between the houses, and Vin would gather information in the noble court posing as Renoux's niece Valette. Ironeyes(fka Marsh): Marsh was Kelsiers brother. He helped the people there survive using his knowledge of the Metallic Arts, showing them how to make unsealed metalminds to store attributes like heat in a way that could be shared with anyone. He has an imposing presence and is a natural leader, easily taking charge and swaying even the downtrodden skaa of Luthadel into joining the rebellion with his charming personality. On the battlefield, Kaladin would be more likely to win. He always keeps a smile on his face, because that is the one thing the Lord Ruler can't take from him. We do it because we want to. Kelsier's legacy continues to influence people all across the five dominances. We dont really know if the rebels that stabbed TLR used enough force to get the head of the spear all the way through his body so the metal head of the spear wouldnt be touching him. In the meantime, keep an eye out for a non-spoiler review of The Lost Metal coming up next week. [24] This results in the skaa considering him a god, leading to the founding of the Church of the Survivor, which refers to Kelsier as "Lord of the Mists". When Kelsier became a Mistborn and returned to Luthadel, he first sought out Dockson and recruited him for his plan. As long as it provides something to think about and consider, it is worth posting. That would have advanced his plans quite nicely. Realizing Vin didn't trust him, he told her that in his crew they trust each other. [8], Kelsier has a Hemalurgic spike in his right eye socket,[32] which he acquires sometime after the Catacendre. [49], When he returned to Scadrial he found that Preservation's power was significantly weakened. Kelsier would understand, but still disapprove of. And he had no realistic way to escape him. Marasi Colms: An Allomantic Pulser (able to slow down time in a bubble around herself) and a constable in the Elendel constabulary. Vin also became a major religious figure in the wake of his death, as the Survivorists consider her Kelsier's heir. The "Survivor's Statemark" is one of the symbols of the faith. Steris Harms Ladrian: Waxs wife and Marasis half-sister. In the process, he tells the skaa to flee to the Terris settlement at the Pits of Hathsin should troubles. [16] He gifted Vin a mistcloak and started to teach her Allomancy. During this time, he attempted a second breakin of Kredik Shaw, and was unsuccessful; nearly getting Vin killed in the process. The vision, seen from Kelsier's point of view, showed that his spiked right eye viewed the world through Allomantic lines, similar to Steel Inquisitors, while his left eye saw things normally.[34]. Kelsier has also been keeping himself busy by interfering with Roshar (the world in which The Stormlight Archive is set). Then, in Shadows of Self, Paalm was using a spike supplied by Trell to gain Allomantic and Feruchemical abilities, as well as to remain invisible to Harmony. Kelsier's suspicions that Vin was a Mistborn were confirmed when he saw that she was able to burn zinc. Hmmm, he was flat on the ground from the Lord Rulers hit when he was stabbed. He is presumably the founding member of the Ghostbloods, a secret society investigating the Cosmere and ways to travel between all the different worlds. Ive done my best to include things that I think youll need to know going into the next book. [29] Had his life gone differently, he could have been an outright evil person and, outside the context of the Final Empire, would likely be a villain. Kelsier later said that "he had more Money than he could Spend" however, after a failed attempt at stealing from the Lord Ruler in his secret room inside Kredik Shaw, he was sent to the atium mines in the Pits of Hathsin. TheManKnownAsHoid, August 2, 2018. Though Vin initially is wary and suspicious of him, she eventually learns to trust him, and he becomes somewhat of a father figure to her. Once their army was trained and the houses grew unstable enough, they would send a part of their army to attack the Pits of Hathsin, forcing the garrison of Luthadel to go and defend the Pits. Kelsier, famously known as the Survivor of Hathsin, is a powerful Mistborn and one of the main characters in Mistborn: The Final Empire . Kelsier and his brother Marsh were the sons of a nobleman father and a skaa mother. [20] He nicknamed him Fuzz, due to his unraveled appearance. But was that truly the end of his tale? . Yeah sorry I meant the head of the spear. All Im saying is that whether or not TLR could have been hemalurgically spiked depends entirely upon whether or not the rebels stabbing him with spears only stabbed hard enough to just barely get the metal heads in, which would technically allow for hemalurgical side effects, or if the rebels stabbed him with enough force that the spear head went ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIM and stuck out the other side of his body, leaving him with only the wooden haft still inside of him and the metal heads not touching his insides. [65] As a Pathian, Wax did not worship Kelsier, but his life has nonetheless been drastically affected by the Survivor. They also have the technology to create powerful grenades and bombs, as well as medallions which grant various powers. TLR is like the sacrifices, while Kelsier is like the Inquisitor. . 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[34] This spike pins his soul to his bones. He was born to a noble and a skaa mother, a fact that would have her killed due to the illegitimacy of it. Priests in this religion wear robes with stitching up the arms to emulate Kelsier's scars from the Pits of Hathsin. [44] He walks past Luthadel towards the lake of the same name, near which he finds Khriss and Nazh. Clearly I am not the only one questioning the relevancy, (Thanks for the support btw @KalaDANG) and it is not to point out that I don't "like" the theory, I find it unlikely, and there are 2 main reasons: A. I don't understand what the theory is trying to say (Which might make my thoughts on the theory irrelevant). Im going to proceed with this article under the assumption that youve read it, so if you havent, there will be some MAJOR spoilers. He escapes the Well following its destruction and travels west, meeting Khriss, Nazh, and a group of Elantrians along the way. He tries to teach Vin to smile and occasionally look on the bright side of things. And the Lord Ruler still had a spike in his chest when he stabbed Kelsier. When he reaches their base, he moved past their guards and passed the wall into their chambers. In The Final Empire it can be argued that Vin represents the reader of the book as she is constantly in awe and has a great amount of respect for Kelsier.The reader is able to learn about the world, the magic and the other characters through the eyes of Vin, and because of this, we admire Kelsier, holding him up to almost a supernatural standard. [7] Using Allomancy he was able to escape the Pits. The spike is not coming with you when your Cognitive separates from the body. HE CANT BE HEMALURGICALLY SPIKED IF THE METAL ISNT TOUCHING HIS INSIDES. All I want is for somebody to clarify what your theory actually is. Mistborn was the first Brandon Sanderson book I read, and Kelsier's death shocked me. Dockson once again became Kelsier's organizer and right hand man. Taken in congruence with the events of Secret History, this man appears to be Kelsier. In retaliation, the Lord Ruler executes numerous skaa in public demonstrations. Leras is fascinated by Kelsier due to him being the first to punch him after death, and being the first to attempt to recruit him to their schemes. It is presumed that this is the Sovereign of the Southerners, who saved their people, declared himself ruler, and reorganized the social hierarchy. Vin paused at her thoughts. Kelsier later gave this drawing to Vin. My bad. After Camon and Vin left, Kelsier realized that the ministry had already discovered that Camon was a thief and only played along to find the crew's hideout. I was depressed for multiple days. [51], From the Well of Ascension, of course. He offered to teach her about gold and atium, gave her the money he took from Camon, and allowed her to leave, as he didn't want to force anybody into his crew. [29] Hoid has also taken direct action against him, giving Wax an unsealed coppermind containing knowledge that he would rather keep hidden. Don't make me come over there and slap you around again. He accomplished a lot, and died facing down the Lord Ruler himself. He is the central figure of the religion known as the Church of the Survivor. There are hints throughout Era 1 that Kelsier was still around, including Sazed flat out saying that Kelsier requested Spook be made a Mistborn. , Kelsier is terrified by Ati and the power that he holds, seeing and feeling it through the Well of Ascension.[74]. Ati manipulated Kelsier for many years, grooming him in order to bring about his release. Kelsier recruited the underworld's elite, the smartest and most trustworthy allomancers, each of whom shares one of his many powers, and all of whom relish a high . He has a spike through his eye at the end of BoM. [6] He is stern and intense, but always smiling; another act of rebellion against the Lord Ruler's oppression. But spiking modifies the spirit web, which is the same whether your a cognitive shadow or not,and so it could have provided him benefits. Once he is freed from the Well along with Ruin, he initially travels around through the Cognitive version of Luthadel, seeking out his friends. With the spike removed, Kelsier encouraged her to take up the power, relinquishing it so that she can do so. This thread only relatesto Mistborn, and should probably be moved to the mistborn forum,instead of the Cosmere forum, to avoid spoilers. He tells Spook that this healing was Kelsier's parting gift. He connects us to his characters. With the garrison gone and the nobility weakened by the war, the rest of the army then could take over Luthadel. [31] He lost these abilities in death and has not recovered them.[22]. And the whole point of the Cosmere Discussion forumis to discuss irrelevant theories and minutiae about the Cosmere. MellowKween 21 days ago Hmm well like I said, he's never really gone. Kelsier is the younger brother of Marsh, who is disappointed at Kelsier's apparent lack of direction or purpose until Kelsier leads the skaa rebellion. [22], Kelsier has an unknown Seon which he uses to commmunicate with his Ghostbloods on Scadrial. And, if you can, dont get all rage monster with ma boy Ishar. . the original post says a lot: Are you asking if the rebels were influencedby Ruin? At the beginning of the novella, Kelsier is killed by the Lord Ruler, but refuses to pass on to the Beyond, and instead becomes trapped in the Cognitive Realm, between the Physical and Spiritual realm. As of the end of The Bands of Mourning, he has a very obvious crush on Marasi. Additionally, spiking him at his death would have left the spike behind in his corpse, providing no benefits. It is used to fuel Southern Scadrian Allomantic technology, including their airships, which run via Steelpushing. I represent that one thing you've never been able to kill, no matter how hard you try. For one of them, Kelsier's crew planned to steal the Lord Ruler's atium cache, which they believed lay hidden in Kredik Shaw. All I want is for you to clarify your theory. [56] He does not yet know the secret to overcome this limitation. He hid the artifact away somewhere in the north and then disappeared. The spirit of Kelsier often appears in Spook's hallucinations, granting him the power to burn pewter and guiding him through difficult situations. When Marsh caught Vin in Luthadel, he attacked Ruin with Preservation's power, weakening Ruin's control over Marsh just enough for Marsh to rip out Vin's earring. Id make a world where owers returned, a world with green plants, a world where no soot fell from the sky. Kelsier was central to it all. All we know for certain is that its some sort of entity worshiped by many on Scadrial. The Final Empire: Mistborn Book 1. Kelsier was then trained by a Mistborn named Gemmel[37] and they traveled to the far north of the Western Dominance to a city called Mantiz where Kelsier fought and killed the Mistborn Antillius Shezler. Having escaped death only by becoming a Mistborn . It all kind of depends on that. Kelsier's martyrdom and seeming resurrection spawns a new religion, the Church of the Survivor, which venerates Kelsier's teachings. Hiding you. Kelsier then made his living as a thief, becoming famous throughout Luthadel. We know that Waxs sister, Telsin, is a high-ranking member and that she escaped alive at the end of TheBands of Mourning. Then he killed the noble Lord Renoux and let OreSeur impersonate him. (The Mistborn Saga #1) by Brandon Sanderson (Goodreads Author) 4. Whats the point? The newly installed king of Luthadel, Elend Venture, often inquires about Kelsier's traits and skills, hoping that he can learn to lead as effectively as the Survivor once did. After further reading and realisation that there is more to this, I think it's safe to say that he's pretty obsessive. All Im saying is that theres no way to definitively know whether or not the metal heads were still inside him. We left off in TheBands of Mourning with Steris and Wax eloping. Does anybody find it odd how specific Kelsier's death is? (Otherwise, Inquisitors would be very very dead). Aside from the Survivorists, there was also a whole civilization of people that worshiped Kelsier far to to the south of Elendel, calling him the Sovereign. As the Sovereign, Kelsier ruled the Southern Scadrians for a time and formed another religion that deified Metalborn, and then he left. Until Kelsier, a brilliant half-Skaa thief and natural leader, finds in himself the powers of a Mistborn, and turns his talents to the ultimate caper, with the Lord Ruler himself as the mark. The mentor figure always ends up getting killed. Sazed, after becoming God, grants Spook the power of a Mistborn and heals him of his ultra-enhanced sense (an effect of continuously flaring tin for extended periods of time). Paalm (deceased): Another kandra, one who posed as Waxs wife Lessie for a time in order to groom him for Harmonys purposes. After speaking with Vin and Elend briefly upon their deaths, he discovers from Sazed that there is a way for him to go back to life. After being betrayed by his wife Mare on a job stealing from the Lord Ruler, Kelsier is sent to the Pits of Hathsin to mine atium geodes, one of the most sought-after Allomantic metals. Worship Trell and wait. Wax, Wayne, and Marasi work together to take down Miles Hundredlives, a compound bloodmaker who has been kidnapping women and stealing aluminum for a shadowy organization called The Set. At the end of the book, the kidnapped women are still missing, Miles is executed, and Wax discovers that his uncle Edwarn, whod been presumed dead, is actually alive and a member of the Set. Sure, it makes it interesting and thought provoking, but I never said it wasn't. The Misborn series comes recommended by Eurogamer friend Johnny Chiodini, who describes Fortnite's latest addition thus: "Kelsier is a thief, but he's also a mistborn - a person who can consume. He does this in order to fight the Lord Ruler's oppression of all the skaa, wanting to have one thing which cannot be taken away from him. I worried about doing this, actually, since it seemed a little too expected. You can use this to quickly reference who the various players are, in case youve forgotten. Except if you remove the spike, you love the alteration because the Identity is not matched. Travelling back to Luthadel, he begins to assemble a thieving crew to put his plan into motion. Sixteen months later, when Kelsier was unable to get his weekly atium geode, Mare gave Kelsier hers, claiming that she had found two that week. His other role involved using his reputation as the Survivor of Hathsin to inspire the newly-trained skaa soldiers. [75] What are you saying? Without a Physical aspect, his powers failed. What are you trying to say you think happened? His most prominent trademark is the multitude of long scars running down his arms, a memento of time spent in the Pits of Hathsin. Waxillium Ladrian was a direct descendant of a close associate of Kelsier, Edgard Ladrian. you seem far away from this address uber eats kate bosworth leaked photos (Remember how I mentioned all those spoilers? [2] He is capable of using them with a high degree of precision to control the momentum and rotation of dozens of pieces of metal simultaneously. Now lets talk a bit more in depth about Kelsier, and what hes been up to. Kelsier is tall and hawk-faced and has light-blonde hair and hazel eyes;[9][10] he has a multitude of scars crossing both arms from his time in the Pits of Hathsin. Kelsier is seen to be not fond of the decision, but doesn't let any of his agents to assassinate her. Immediately after his death, Kelsier arrived in the Cognitive Realm. Even with the strongest criminal team ever put together, Kel's scheme appears to be the absolute long shot. [36] There he spent his time believing that his wife Mare had betrayed him to the Lord Ruler until he witnessed his wife being beaten to death by guards after she gifted her Atium bead to him. [50] He stayed with her for a while after that but ultimately had to leave. Batman, the most legendary mistborn himself. He is credited as the first to ever escape the death camp, and from henceforth he was titled the Survivor of Hathsin. Lyndsey is a renaissance faire performer and magic wand-maker. . His best friend, Dockson, helps him follow up on Marsh's reports of a skaa with known Allomantic powers. He strongly disapproves of the way Kelsier flippantly kills noblemen and those who serve them without a second thought. Even though that is the OP, it would also be good to know where the discussion has evolved too, cause I am confused by that too. Kelsier locates this skaa, whose name was Vin. Shes also written one novel and is working on several more. Telsin Ladrian (aka Lady Sequence): Waxs estranged sister, and a high-ranking member of the Seteven higher than Mister Suit. We want to discuss this theory. However, he is then confronted by the Lord Ruler himself. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), 2023 Macmillan | All stories, art, and posts are the copyright of their respective authors, Mistborn Era 2: Everything You Need to Know Before Reading, Centers of Attention in the Very Modern Murder Mysteries of Rian Johnson, Martin Scorsese, Paul Schrader, and Terrence Malick Meet at a Diner to Discuss, The Legacy of Old Tropes: Charles R. Saunders Jeroboam Henleys Debt, Five YA SFF Books Featuring Crews Youll Want to Join, All the Myriad Ways: The Many, Many Faces of the Shapeshifter, Ben Siskos Non-Linear, Non-Binary Arc in, Zoom and Bored Transports the Road Runner and Coyote to a Realm of Funhouse Physics, Reading The Wheel of Time: Subjugation and Surrender in Robert Jordans, 10 Classic Tales for Fans of Swashbuckling and Historical Intrigue. Why would it have to be relevant to the current or future cosmere? (Like Wax, and Wayne, and okay, those are the only remaining Ws, but isnt alliteration fun?). Then he found the power at the Well of Ascension and became trapped there with Ruin, though merging with the power of the. And the book clearly had the rebels shove 2 spears right through his body. Allegedly dead as of the end of TheBands of Mourning, but heyits a Cosmere novel, who knows? The mists curled around him, blending into the tassels of his mistcloak. Our Privacy Notice has been updated to explain how we use cookies, which you accept by continuing to use this website. Before his death, Kelsier had tried to unlock the potential of the 11th metal, which was rumored to be the Lord Ruler's weakness. Kelsier often kills nobility and the skaa who serve them with absolutely no qualms. And if we ignore that as well, Kelsier's cognitive shadow doesn't seem to have any of his mistborn powers so an extra hemalurgic power would likely mean nothing at that point. Kelsier is a half-skaa Mistborn from Scadrial.

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